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Traveler's View: Really, Aren't The National Parks Worth More Than $2.5 Million?

May 8th - 12:00pm | Alfred Runte

I keep wondering whatever happened to the idea that we are all shareholders in America. The slogan used to be for "God and Country." I don't recall corporations being any part of that, but perhaps someone can set me straight.

May 8th - 10:56am | ecbuck

I do not agree that claiming religious rights has anything to do with increasing shareholder valueTo not be forced into paying for benefits - of any kind - could improve profitability which would increase shareholder value.  But then, I am not aware of any public corporation that has tried to excercise a religious rights argument. 

May 8th - 10:30am | Scott Merritt

EC - Fair points; I will concede that election funding could arguably be in the interest of shareholders.  I do not agree that claiming religious rights has anything to do with increasing shareholder value.  You are 100% correct about effective regulation.  Thanks for making that distinction.

May 8th - 09:56am | ecbuck

They should not be allowed to be treated as a person; i.e. candidate election spending; refusing to comply with federal mandate for religious reasons (birth control). I'll accept EC's point, but you can't play both sides of the fence.

May 8th - 09:29am | Scott Merritt

I forgot one very important piece.  Back in the early 80s AB was trying to buy the second largest spring in Missouri - Greer Spring.  They were going to use it for bottled water.

May 8th - 09:18am | Scott Merritt

I think EC's comments about corporations are interesting.  I don't agree nor disagree with his statement about their purpose being very simple - generate money for shareholders.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I do have a few thoughts about it though.

May 8th - 09:12am | Perpetual Seasonal

If you go on the website of the Association of National Park Rangers or their facebook page you will see no mention of this deal with Budweiser and no posting of these articles from NPT.

May 7th - 23:11pm | wild places

 Again,if the parks are up for sale (and they obviously are)  then they should have at least gone to the highest bidder but this appears to be a backroom deal which is almost as disturbing as those who think AB is somehow promoting rape (it takes a troubled mind to make that connection).  If anything, be troubled by the possibility that they might team up with Jay Z for concerts in the parks (c

May 7th - 22:18pm | ecbuck

Man, have we "lost it" when we say that our major corporations "should not be philanthropic."Not at all.  That is not their purpose.  Their purpose is to generate funds for their shareholders.  If those shareholders want to be philanthropic, great but it isn't the role of corporations to give away money that isn't theirs purely to give it away.  

May 7th - 21:53pm | rmackie

Thinking of the posts above from Michael Kellett and Alfred, when I first started working in the Park on the trail crews, we worked 6 days a week.

May 7th - 20:53pm | Alfred Runte

As I read this, EC, I am listening to Peter, Paul, and Mary from a concert in 1965. Man, have we "lost it" when we say that our major corporations "should not be philanthropic." Bring on the "publicity," then, but what does it matter when you no longer have a country that you can sing about with pride?

May 7th - 19:54pm | ecbuck

Alfred,AB is not (and should not be) giving money to the Parks to be philonthropic, they are giving it for publicity. 

May 7th - 15:04pm | rmackie

Dr. Runte, this is one of your finest posts, exactly the issue here. Thank you. I also appreciated the post of M. Kellett and yourself on "addressing the backlog". It is stretch to me that we cannot find common ground on "man" contributing to  climate change.

May 7th - 14:11pm | Alfred Runte

I don't think "price" is the point being made here at all. Sometimes, a writer has to resort to irony or sarcasm before anyone can see the point. And the point is: The government, having presented the national parks as a gold mine, turns around and sells them as if they were tin.

May 7th - 08:55am | Harryb3570

Well said Kurt. This partnership with Budweiser is just not right for the NPS. The whole deal cries out for a congressional investigation. Even if the amount of money was $25 million it would still  be wrong. Dan Wenk and Jarvis need to face reality. They made a mistake and just say no to Budweiser. 

May 7th - 08:52am | ecbuck

I agree with you Kurt, the price seems low.  But I find it funny after all the indignation about the arrangement in the first place, now we are talking price.   Reminds me of a joke that ends with the women asking "what do you think I am" and the man responds, "we have already established that, now we are just negotiating the price". 

May 7th - 07:26am | Perpetual Seasonal

One thing I don't get about this is they say the partnership with Budweiser will attract more of the kinds of people they want to come to NPS sites. But as far as I know Budweiser isn't exactly the brand of "millennials" or most minorities.

Op-Ed| Addressing The Backlog With New Backbone: History And The National Park Service Centennial

May 7th - 19:03pm | ecbuck

Michael -Two big differences between us.  First, I don't share your pessimism.  I think man can exploit the earth for his own good without long term negative impacts.  As you yourself noted several of today's parks are "restoration" parks.  Parks that in a hundred years or less have erased the "scars" of man.

May 7th - 11:26am | Alfred Runte

Some really good comments here, some of them even worthy of an article or two. First, about Yosemite. Once the federal government had completed the surveys of the high country, the handwriting was on the wall. Settlement claims under the Homestead Act, etc., then proliferated, culminating in the late 1880s. The park of 1890 was already hamstrung by 65,000 acres of private inholdings--or more.

May 7th - 10:26am | Michael Kellett

EC and beachdumb,No use in arguing about climate change. Reality will prevail, regardless of what we say.EC,

May 7th - 09:10am | beachdumb

has reached 400 parts per million (ppm) for the first time in recorded history

May 7th - 08:43am | ecbuck

The global concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere – the primary driver of recent climate change – has reached 400 parts per million (ppm) for the first time in recorded history, according to data from the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii.

May 7th - 08:26am | Michael Kellett

EC,1. Regarding your denial of climate change, It is ironic that you made it the day after this announcement.

May 7th - 01:24am | Rick B.

Thanks, Michael Kellett. Be warned there are a handful of climate change deniers here that make a lot of noise, and try to make it look like they're the only ones in the room.Most of us have just decided not to wrestle in the mud with them any more.

May 6th - 22:40pm | rmackie

Thank you Michael Kellett and thanks for E.O. Lewis quote. 

May 6th - 18:36pm | ecbuck

We should think about the use of national parks in mitigating the effects of climate change, promoting science and science education,.....An oxymoron in the first sentence.

May 6th - 17:38pm | Michael Kellett

To quote E.O. Wilson, the eminent biologist and membert of the National Parks Second Century Commission:

May 6th - 16:09pm | beachdumb

CHNSRA used to be a state park, no one with a grasp of reality is happy with the way it is being managed recently. Many are calling for it to be returned to state control, I can only hope that it does. 

May 6th - 15:31pm | Owen Hoffman

I have been in communication concerning Harry Butowsky's recent op-ed article in National Parks Traveler with a few NPS'ers who are still in the field.  In general, most agree with Harry's point of view.

May 6th - 15:00pm | Scott Merritt

Ok I will accept the dunce cap.  So now that I have it on, I am going back through the article carefully.  I can't respond to it all at once, so in pieces:

May 6th - 02:12am | Argle Bargle

The park service  now has an "Office of Relevancy, Diversity and Inclusion." It is busy issuing memos, training and goals for, well, relevancy. I'm not sure what relevancy is. Probably something like relevance but squishier.  As in "No, it's not actually relevant, but it has the aroma of relevancy."

May 5th - 11:39am | Harryb3570

Thank you for your thoughtful reply rmackie. I agree with what you have to say and you have given us all material to consider. 

May 5th - 11:33am | Harryb3570

OK  JEMiculka lets cut the sarcasm. We need some positive suggestions here. Do you have one? If so I would like to hear it.

May 5th - 11:26am | rmackie

Nice post Harry, and it has led to an interesting discussion. I do not have the answers. When I first started working in Yosemite on a trail crew in 1960, park visitation was roughly 500,000. Upon my retirement in 1997, it was in excess of 4 million, all rough figures. In 1960, visitation to Tuolumne Meadows via the old  Tioga Road was 25,000. Now it exceeds a million and half.

May 5th - 11:13am | JEMiculka

Perhaps we should see about creating a National Parks Lend - Lease Act.  We can loan Yellowstone, Yosemite, Glacier and Grand Canyon to their respective states or counties or other interested organizations and let them manage them.

May 5th - 10:15am | Alfred Runte

To sum up so far:If the Park Service saves money, Congress will just reduce the budget again. A+ fpr that insight. That's exactly what Congress will do. Then will we let them?

May 5th - 09:07am | tahoma

During my career in the Maintenance Division, I would say about a third of the work we did was not maintenance, but new construction and elaborate upgrades.  This development work was always a higher priority and the most certain path to managerial promotion.

May 5th - 08:58am | Scott Merritt

Travis - thank you for taking the time to provide solid responses to this incredibly weak article and incoherent stream of comments.  

May 5th - 08:49am | Harryb3570

I agree with you trail advocate. The reality of our maintenance backlog, lack of staffing, poor quality or outdated administrative histories is there and if we continue on our present course I see disaster looming. There is no perfect or ideal solution but we do need a plan. I do not see a plan by the NPS to deal with our looming problems.

May 5th - 01:07am | trailadvocate

Yep, there is reality out there to truly cope with.  The fantasy is what it is. The sooner it's recognized as such,  the better. Only getting worse  and in a hurry!

May 4th - 23:44pm | Travis Mason-Bushman

But yes, interpreation had already fallen from a staff of 75 to a staff of 36. I believe now it is just 18. How do you make the parks more relevant by cutting job holders off at the knees? In Zion, another wonderful couple just left the park, knowing they would never achieve permanent status.

May 4th - 23:11pm | Perpetual Seasonal

I wish Mr. Smith could please point out where this "rule" about each generation is written? Maybe we should think about about the future generations that a have to pay for and administer these parks. Past generations can and have made mistakes and put places under NPS management that don't belong there. And as we've mentioned before sites have been removed from the system.

May 4th - 22:02pm | ecbuck

I generally agree with Mr Butowsky.  My one addition would be to examine if we really have a 11.5 billion backlog or a 10 billion wish list and 1.5mil of actual necessary repairs. 

Acadia Then And Now: 40 Years Is Too Long Between Visits

May 7th - 13:07pm | JeanBjerke

Happy birthday, Acadia NP! It has been about 20 years since I last visited, and this article reminds me I shouldn't let too many more years go by. Acadia is an enchanting park, and I loved my first few visits, then moved from New Englad so it is not as easy to get back! I have some very fond memories of times in Acadia with several different family members.

Critics Say Legislation Penned In The Name Of Homeland Security Could Trample National Parks, Other Federal Lands

May 7th - 12:39pm | argalite

So they can use motorized vehicles in wilderness.  That will be great for cryptogramic soils.

May 5th - 09:58am | Lee Dalton

This is pure balderdash on the part of Rob Bishop.  It's part of his continuing anti-environmental and Federal lands management agenda. 

Girl Scouts Getting More Involved With National Parks

May 7th - 12:30pm | Rick B.

Agreed, Jim. Programs to get more girls, more boys, more kids in general, as well as any other demographic. Getting them hooked young, on something healthy, is a Good Thing.

May 7th - 12:04pm | Jim Burnett

Absolutely an example of a much better way to introduce young people to our parks - as opposed to Anheuser-Busch's goal of "introducing a new generation of beer drinkers" to those areas!

Glacier National Park Officials Working To Craft Going-To-The-Sun Road Plan To Ease Congestion

May 7th - 12:28pm | Jim Burnett

I was there last summer at the start of the season. Opening of the "Sun Road" to private vehicles was delayed due to a late snowstorm, but we were able to ride the free shuttle from the west side most of the way to Logan Pass, and then walk along the road for several miles. It was a great way to enjoy the area without traffic.

Savings On Zion Maps, National Park Posters Await Traveler Members

May 4th - 21:51pm | ecbuck

Alas, too late.  Already bought my map and finished my Zion hikes today. 

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