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What's your strategy for landing a campsite in the Needles Campground at Canyonlands National Park?/Kurt Repanshek file

Being able to visit a website and reserve a campsite in the National Park System six months before your visit helps take the anxiety away of wondering where you'll stay. Unless you're thinking of camping in Canyonlands and Arches national parks in Utah, and no doubt some other units of the system.

The problem arises in campgrounds with a relatively small number of campsites. While the Watchman Campground at Zion National Park boasts 176 campsites, the Bridge Bay Campground in Yellowstone National Park lists 432 sites, and Tuolumne Meadows Campground in Yosemite National Park shows 304 sites, at Devils Garden Campground in Arches there are just 51, and at Needles Campground in Canyonlands there are just 26, of which only a dozen can be reserved, with the remainder first-come, first-served.

On recreation.gov you can reserve a campsite six months out from your travel...unless, of course, you plan to spend more than one night in that site. While individual campsites don't technically open for reservations until six months ahead of your desired date, if you claim a site six months out, you can extend your stay for a number of days. In the case of Needles Campground, you can book a seven-night stay, and that's where problems of securing a campsite intensify.

Recreation.gov releases sites for reservations at 10 a.m. Eastern, six months out. So if you live in the Pacific Time Zone and wanted to stay in Needles Campground on March 23, 2020, you needed to be ready to reserve your site at 7 a.m. on September 23, 2019. But your initiative wouldn't have been rewarded, unfortunately.

That's because at Needles you can relax in a campsite for seven consecutive days. And so folks who were able to latch onto a site on September 22, 2019, for March 22, 2020, arrival, could, in theory, reserve it through March 29, 2020. And so if you logged onto recreation.gov on September 23, as I did, you would have found each of the 12 sites booked through March 23, 2020, and some beyond that date. While there was one site available for March 24, you'd have to wait until September 24 to reserve that...if it was still available.

"If someone reserved for 3/22, they are allowed to book several days out," the chat room folks at recreation.gov told me when I mentioned all the sites had been reserved for March 23, 2020, before September 23, 2019. "The next available date is for site 27 and only for 03/24/2020. For 03/25/20, sites 18, 24, 25, 26, 27. I do apologize the sites were taken for today."

"But if you can't make a reservation until six months out," I replied, and someone reserves for a block of dates, how does one lock down a reservation?

"It is a relatively small camping area," came the reply. "I can only advice to check on the recreation.gov website to see which dates may come available 6 months out." 

Now, there are those 14 first-come, first-served sites at Needles Campground, but the campground is a far drive for most folks, lying about 75 miles from Moab, Utah. From Salt Lake City, it's about a 5-6 hour drive.

Would you gamble on finding one of those 14 sites vacant after a long drive, knowing that if they were all filled you would 1) have to see if the private campground just outside the Needles District had space, 2) you had to drive 49 miles to Monticello, Utah, and hope there was a motel room available, or 3) drive all the way back to Moab with hopes of finding a vacancy?

What's the solution? Is there a solution? Do small national park campgrounds need to move to a lottery system? Do parks with just one small campground need to build more? 

The answer, for now at least, concerning Needles Campground is to be flexible and broaden your search, Karen Garthwait at Canyonlands National Park told me. There currently are no discussions to enlarge the campground, she said.

"What I typically encourage people to do is plan ahead for something for their first night when in the area," she said. "Whether a private campground that you can book in advance, or a hotel room, or whatever people feel comfortable with as their lodging option. But having a reservation for that first night then lets you travel here with the security that you have a place to land, you can pop into whichever visitor center of whichever unit who are wanting to go to, find out the lay of the land, and then find out how early you need to be there the next day in order to get one of those first-come, first-served available sites."

Garthwait also noted that, in terms of Needles Campground, there are a number of campgrounds along Utah 211 just outside the Needles District that are managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management, "(A)ll of which are first-come, first served, and they have been adding to them practically every other year the last couple of years."

Those BLM campgrounds are the Hamburger Rock Campground (10 sites), Creek Pasture Campground (32 sites), and Super Bowl Campground (37 sites). Those campgrounds are more rustic than the Needles Campground, with no running water and offering vault, not flush, toilets.

If your heart is set on Needles Campground and you are blocked from landing a site during the popular spring and fall seasons, there's always the brutally hot (100°+) days in the heart of summer or the cold (lows of 0°-20° Fahrenheit possible), short days of winter when all sites are first-come, first-served.

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Yosemite camping reservations are different.  For the prime months, reservations become available on the 15th of the month 4 months in advance.  That's only for the beginning of the reservation though, with a 7 day limit.

https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/camping.htm

I've done it a few times and it's crazy.  They typically sell out within minutes, and the prime sites are gone within seconds.

However, there is nothing else quite like Yosemite camping reservations.  That's where bots have been set up by scalpers and they've tried all sorts of ways to discourage that, including requiring not allowing reservations to be transferred.  Then the scalpers would reserve, cancel, then rebook immediately.  They took care of that by manually placing "inventory" back so it would be difficult to figure out when they could be rebooked.  Heck - I remember getting my campground SNAFU sorted at the Yosemite campground office where they released on one computer and then immediately booked it for me on the other computer.  I was told it becomes available online and they needed to sync it perfectly.


Just like most things that have a  higher market value than what's being charged, scalpers are ruining it for the rest of us. Helping to solve the problem would have to be multi-level.

I like the idea that if a campground is historically booked within 1 day when the sites are released, then cancellation fee should be high enough to prevent the cancel/rebook scenario - like $100. And if you don't show up on day one of your reservation, you also get charged as if you cancelled.

Prevent transfers by having you put your license plate in the reservation system. I'm also not sure how they prevent transfers, I've NEVER had anyone ask for my id when checking into a campground. I also don't think the campground hosts are necessarly equiped and able to get someone removed from a spot because their ID didn't match.

Also, if when a cancellation is put forth, that site just goes into the first come/first serve bucket. In this scenario, for places like Yosemite where scalpers are ruining the chances, you might have 50% of the spots available for first come first serve. 

It's just unfortunate that you have to do  so much work and put forth so many resources just to enable people acting fairly to have a fair chance at a spot.

We too struggle every year with booking. I just booked glacier 6 months out, would like to stay in a first come campground instead because I like it better, but I'm not going to travel > 1000 miles and hope.


I have yet been able to make a reservation via recreation, gov. To make a reservation I must call them. The site just does not function. I have reported the problem no less than 10 times and yet it continues to fail when making a reservation. Unbelievable! Why is this so difficult????


I fight this every year with a campground in Oregon (and we have hundreds!) but this one is a 3-4h drive so it's dangerous to depend on those first come-first serve ones (even though they are beautiful). Every year some rule-breaking jackwad always books the site we want and then they keep scooting their dates down the line. I have a group of friends who have been doing this same trip every year for 10 years and we've NEVER been able to secure the site we want. And this year, it looks like Recreation.gov "updated" their site but it's just even more cumbersome and clunky. It's so bad, I'm wondering if it's broken. I wanna pull my hair out! Vacations should be relaxing - I'm glad I have 6 months to calm down before we get there because that's how bad it is. I'm not sure what the answer is - maybe flag the accounts of people who push, change, or cancel then immediately re-reserve sites. Fine them. Ban them. I don't care, but we gotta cull the herd somehow. 


I am so sick of trying to plan trips and make reservations in our national parks!!! It is a totally ridiculous situation. They spend paragraph after paragraph describing the parks and all that you can do, but good luck when it comes to making an actual reservation. It could be very simple and something you could do in just a few minutes, not hours! How about a site map with amenities, availability, fees, rules, and dates of when reservations will be taken. You could then just make the reservation and go on with the rest of your day. No! it can't be simple, it has to be frustrating and difficult creating more questions with no answers. After all, it is a government agency. I am not the only one having these experiences. So, a detailed letter to my congressmen is in order but then again congress does not work either! 


Does anyone know how often the system is "gamed" by early reservation and the cancel the days before the desired camping dates. i.e You want to camp March 23 through March 26 but with the 7 day limit you go in and reserve March 20 through 26 and then cancel the 20,21,and 22 dates?

 


I just got up early on President's Day to reserve a Hoodview, OR campsite that was available August 17 last night before I went to bed at midnight.  this morning (Feb 17) at 644 am I logged in and discovered the campsites (we would have been thrilled with either site) were already reserved.  This is before 7 am Pacific time.  There is no way that could happen according to the rules.  Sadly, it appears that someone "inside the system" has an advantage.  It's been years that this has been happening.  I'm going to call today and try to find answers.  


The federal parks need to take back and run their own reservation system 


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