I grew up in Montana for 30 years, and the one thing that I know is that elk are not easy to hunt like deer are once they get the idea that they are being hunted. The Yellowstone national park had a lot of elk on it and supported it till the herd ventured from it during winter migration. We will see that once the herd is allowed to hunt and is viable the hunters become crazy.
"imtnbke", and others who refuse to give their real name, aren't being honest in other ways, as well. "imtnbke" claims that 99.9% of mountain bikers are honorable and respectful. But the science, and our personal experience, says just the opposite.
Few comments on this website over the years have caused me as much despair as Bill Foreman's. (This will no doubt gladden the hearts of some!) If an apparently avid and talented mountain biker is (as we more militant access advocates would frame it) drinking the Kool-Aid and eloquently expressing a case against any mountain biking in national parks, what hope is there?
Hi, Roger — None of those. To be precise, and in case I'm misunderstanding your question, I am a paying member of IMBA but not a paid member. I have no financial interest in mountain biking. I am merely an avid mountain biker who feels a strong engagement with the access aspects of our endeavor.
I would be glad to respond to some of imtnbks questions. But he also knows I can't answer most of them, and doubt anyone can without nationwide surveys. But before I try to answer them I think his bio should include more info on his interest in the issue. Is he a paid member of IMBA or some other mountain biking group. Does he have a financial interest in mountain biking?
Though I'm getting on in years and may already be a hate-filled curmudgeon, I do enjoy biking. In fact, my son and I biked this morning for a couple hours in a regional park (mix of paved and dirt). Out here on the prairie, we don't get to do high-thrill downhills. We pedal. We say "good morning" to the hikers and joggers and they say "good morning" back.
I have a few questions to ask Roger, if he would be amenable to helping me to understand his perspective. Here they are:
1. You propose that mountain biking is too problematic for the national parks but suitable for nearby state parks. If mountain biking is too problematic in the one, why should it be allowed in the other?
I just got home from an awesome downhill mountain bike ride. I haven't even showered yet. The trail I rode is in the Moab, UT area and attracts thousands of mountain bikers every year. There is every kind of challenge on the trail from extreme slaloms to nearly impossibe climbs and unbelievably steep slickrock that can actually be ridden on a bike.
Same old tired argument, there are other trails nearby, so leave us alone. Put another way, we members of the HOHA (hateful old hiker association) love our parks to ourselves, and really really don't want to share with the newcomers. So, instead of debating rationally, we are going to wax poetic about how cyclists are just a bunch of dangerous thrill seekers. It's rather pathetic.
Canyon Fossil's comments reflect my experiences almost exactly. Through the years of being literally run off trails by more than just a few careening bikers, I have developed a very strong distaste for the sport in general -- even though I know full well that the individuals I've encountered may be a small percentage of the overall population of bikers.
Wouldn't it be spectacular to increase American tourism to Our precious heritage by 50% or
better since we are already here. It's nice to share with others and I welcome anyone to the
wonders of nature in our Parks but please don't overrun them. Part of the beauty is the ability to find some quiet serenity in the clean air!
No one has pointed out that the "hikers" group has made bank by getting "lawyers fees" given to them after each of their lawsuits as part of the settlement. They are a frivilous lawsuit mill and it is very profitable for the small group that runs it.
Tammy: Great post!What I have noticed is that there are a significant number of people with some of the most experience in the backcountry and, truly, are at home in it and with themselves, just don't understand why so much has to be divisive. Kind of like a dysfunctional family that has lost it's way and risks losing everything. There are people out there that profit from the divisions.
@Central valley backpacker....you make a valid point "irreplacable natural thing must be sacrificed on the altar of the economy, profit, or access" but I do believe that there is "middle ground" here so that this can be avoided.
It's true that this place is a very moving experience. The thing that struck me most during a visit a few years ago were the veterans who spoke in the Arizona visitor center. One was an American sailor. The other was a Japanese pilot who had flown in the raid.
Does any one remember the last Civil War Veterans that sat on the inauguration platform of President Eisenhower or Kennedy? Any info would be appreciated. May they all rest in peace.
Gas prices are still going up here on the west coast -- the average price in Washington state is over $4.25 a gallon. Cross the border into Idaho, and the price drops 40 cents a gallon. But anyone heading to the west coast parks had better be prepared for sticker shock.
There was a story on the news the other night about the "graying" of our national parks, and how the average visitor age is going up, and how worried the park service supposedly is about this. If they were really worried, they'd be doing their best to provide inexpensive ways to visit the parks, including camping, lodging, and food.
Many have told me that have seemingly been everywhere and done everything that the 17 mile Mule Ride into the Grand Canyon (Phantom Ranch) going down the Bright Angel Trail and returning up the ridge the South Kaibab follows to Yaki Point is the best ride and also the best thing they've EVER done. Something about being so humbled by the experience that it was transformational.
Cactus Forest Drive in Saguaro National Park is simply amazing, especially after it rains and mists linger across the land in March. Heart of the Sands Drive is up there too.
Further east, Pierce Stocking Scenic Drive in Sleeping Bear Dunes can give viewpoints one is shocked to learn come from Michigan.
My wife and I just completed visting Cumberland this past weekend. We are both have BSA's in Animal Science and are very familiar with equine nutrition. We also both have master's degrees in agriculture. In addition, we have both been involved in the horse industry since we were children. I agree that the horses have a big impact environmentally on the island.
Mr. Johnson: This is a very interesting article about a historical and scenic pathway that led to our independence from England. I think I will go and see it!
Wouldn't exactly call it a "putrid lake system" but I get your drift. There does seem to be bigger problems facing the country, if anyone cares to notice.
Let me see if I understand this.... we have turned the Colorado river system into a long, putrid lake system - altering it beyond belief and now we're worried about non-native fish?
The current non native fish removal plan unfortunately deals, ineffectively, with the symptom rather than the root source of the problem which is chronically high population levels of rainbow trout in the Lees Ferry reach along with concomitant high reproduction rates. The current dam operations are very conducive to this condition.
The first sentence above is the only thing one needs to consider in this debate. Trying to simulate the conditions for the native species under the current circumstances is a joke - either blow up the dam or let the trout live. At least that way people can have some fun fishing as consequence of the giant atrocity committed on the Colorado by the Glen Canyon Dam.
We cannot fix the infastructures collapsing in the parks, but we can catch a few fish to eliminate a million... OPEN fishing regs to catch all you can of these buggers and even hire fisherman that were thrown off the beaches of cape hatteras to catch them and fry them up...
Like to make a correction. Bright Angel Creek where active trout eradication has been going on is about 26 river miles below the confluence of the Little Colorado with it's warmer waters and not 80 River miles as I stated.
I guess to restore the natural order of things, one must remove a very large dam. That sounds very unlikely. I would be curious what the avg water temps would be when the Colorado was wild. Very fluctuant I am sure. Diversion further down stream and the impact on marine species in the Gulf would seem to me 1000x more important.
Denali's infamous "Orient Express" acquired its name because so may Asian climbers have fallen to their deaths there. Some mountaineers avoid using the name because they consider it patently offensive.
The secretary and NPS have the authority and, actually, the duty to speak out if the impacts of new dams and reservoirs are likely to significantly affect NPS areas along the river either upstream or downstream. NPS knows from vast experience out west that dams can have a profound negative effect on the native or existing aquatic biota and sediement dynamics.
Is this a test?? Sticking with theme, I think you left out: "The United States Navy Memorial";
"The United States AirForce Memorial"; "National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial"; "The Pentagon Memorial" and last but not least "the memorial to "OUR FALLEN HEROES" located at the intersection of Barton Street and George Street in downtown Fredericksburg, VA.
My prayers go out to the friends and family of the missing that they may quickly find closure and peace. The actual number of cases of persons missing in, or in proximity to, wilderness areas in the U.S. and Canada, are phenomenal. As a criminal investigator of 23 years, I believe the NPS and FBI have compiled data on these cases they will not share with the SAR operators or the public.
The stink may be related to the Aegis Anti-microbial technology. My brand-new Merrells, untouched yet by any feet, stank my car up so badly that I had to mail them back to the company. My car still smells. Frankly I'd rather have normal bacterial foot odor than that pungent, manure-ish, chemical reek!
Pity, they were wicked comfortable other than that.
Yes I finally have internet at my house again. Since I'm out in the field all day with no internet access at the moment, I had to do something to get onto Nationalparkstraveler!
Right on the button, RangerLady. Congratulations! BTW: the timing of your answer puzzles me (no pun intended). Are you the proud owner of a new computer?
In reading through the comments no one asked the question: Did the shooter first attempt to frighten the bear off with a close warning shot and failing in that then shoot for fatal effect. Anyone who carries a firearm must use common sense. Guns are made to kill and modern firearms are very good for that purpose.
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