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Guest Column: Has The National Park Service Found Itself Straddling The Fence On Mountain Biking?

May 30th - 11:48am | imtnbke

Fortunately, NPT has courteously provided the more disputatious among us with another opportunity for, er, shall we say vigorous debate: /2012/05/npca-worried-house-legislation-would-open-national-park-system-hunting9984

May 30th - 00:25am | Zebulon

Roger, Thanks for the invite, but I highly doubt that I'll make it that way. Too many other trails on the bucket list that would take precedence. Bob, Great funny ending!

May 29th - 20:49pm | Bob Pahre

Now that we're winding down -- for more fun, we can all download the General Management Plan from Mammoth Cave, which has shrunk hiking and biking opportunities to serve the horse lobby better. We could combine this thread with the Sierra horsepacking thread and have a three-way scrum.

May 29th - 20:19pm | imtnbke

Thanks for the invitation, Roger. Maybe I will be near Big Bend someday. If I may provide some evidence for a pretty good level of civility in this thread, here's how some people are behaving in Indiana, in sad contrast: http://www.theindychannel.com/news/31126554/detail.html

May 29th - 17:08pm | Roger Siglin

Thanks for your response imtnbke. If you are ever close to Big Bend, Kurt would know how to get ahold of me. I would like to sit down with you, Zebulon, or anyone else,as I have with Jeff Renfrow. At one time I was on the board of his Trails Alliance but had to resign over the differing opinon on Big Bend NP.

May 29th - 15:20pm | imtnbke

Thanks, Roger. Let me say prefatorily that if you register on this website your comments will appear immediately and the "not verified" label will disappear. If you'd like to send your longer comment version to me, please forward it to Kurt. He knows how to reach me and I'm quite sure the same is true of his ability to contact Zebulon.

May 29th - 12:27pm | imtnbke

George, thank you for your candid remarks. I understand your perspective and appreciate your summarizing it in your 8:03 comment. In fact I agree with you in part, namely that the National Park Service has to be careful what precedents it sets regarding permitted uses, lest it make a mistake that it cannot later undo, at least not easily.

May 29th - 11:13am | Emily Montan

Zebulon, I can tell it's election time, time to sling mud away from the real issue. We just love red herrings. Everyone else,

May 29th - 11:06am | Roger Siglin

I drafted a response to each of imtnbke's quetions but it became longer than I wanted to submit to NPT. I would however be glad to submit it to imtnbke and zebulon and others if there is a way to do that but here are a few brief points.

May 29th - 09:38am | Zebulon

George, can you explain why mountain bike is "inappropriate"? It sounds to me like an unsupported opinion. And the main reason why mountain bikers seek a single track experience is exactly the same as hikers prefer it: to provide an experience closer to nature.

May 29th - 09:03am | George Wuerthner

IMBIKE

May 28th - 22:01pm | Zebulon

I note that none of Imntbike's questions were answered. Quite telling. :) .....

May 28th - 18:24pm | imtnbke

And yes, hikers would still be most welcome in our national parks and wilderness areas. Of course you are—as long as you ride your bike. No one would be kept out. Everyone has a bike. Well, almost everyone; for those who don't, charities can step in.

May 28th - 18:17pm | imtnbke

"Similarly, mountain bikes using the same trails as hikers is like the mix of cars and bikes. It's unsafe." Well, one solution would be to ban hiking, for hikers' own safety. I'll ask my member of Congress to get right on it! Problem solved.

May 28th - 17:38pm | Butch Farabee

I started with the National Park Service in 1961 and to a lesser degree, continue to today. I was an avid hiker but now MB because of bad feet. I applaud the passion and conscientious and generally well-thought out dialog of the opposing views and understand that neither will convince the other.

May 28th - 09:46am | George Wuerthner

A few comments. The atttitude of many mountain bikes is aggressive--not only in defending their activity, but also on the trail. The attitudes I've encountered with mountain bikers is similar to those of other thrillcraft users like dirt bikers, etc. There is even a close similarity in clothing, iconology and demographics. Most dirt bikers are youngish male as are most avid mountain bikers.

May 28th - 09:21am | Kurt Repanshek

Not speaking for Mr.

May 28th - 09:09am | Anonymous

As visitorship continues to decline at our national parks including Big Bend National Park what do you suggest be done Mr. Siglin to make the park more attractive to other than the aging, traditional and more ardent fans of the NPS system?

Your Guide To The National Parks: The Complete Guide To All 58 National Parks

May 30th - 07:59am | Anonymous

Once again, the public falls victim to the silly name game. The places named national "park" have no special significance over the other units of the National Park System.

Walking On The Wild Side Of Dinosaur National Monument

May 29th - 18:49pm | Anonymous

That could prove interesting:). Will be keeping an eye out for info.

May 29th - 16:51pm | cheri

Is there any mountain biking close to the campgrounds or anywhere close by? Thanks!

Concessions Contract Prospectus Floated For Lodging, Dining At Kings Canyon National Park

May 29th - 16:15pm | y_p_w

I've been to both of these locations, and I would note that "basic" is the operating word. The dining facilities at Cedar Grove are more of a basic snack bar where the menu is one of those boards where the letters are pressed into a bunch of lines. I think they have a "higher end" menu for dinner, but it was mostly greasy burgers and fried foods.

Olympic National Park To Revise Spruce Railroad Trail Expansion Project

May 29th - 16:14pm | RodF

The revised EA is open for comment through June 8, 2012. http://parkplanning.nps.gov/projectHome.cfm?projectID=29848

Fatal Fall from Angels Landing in Zion National Park

May 29th - 13:04pm | zion tourist

interesting reading, was just there on 5/25/12 and while we didn't hike Angels Landing, we did hike up to Hidden Canyon and beyond into canyon. There are chains on that hike too and the canyon is beautiful.

House GOP Uncovers Email Trail That Questions Data That Lead To Ban On Hard-rock Mining Near Grand Canyon National Park

May 29th - 12:46pm | Ruffin Prevost

Great reporting by Kurt on this story!

May 29th - 09:57am | Anon

Believe it's the "Political Science" angle that's the most damaging and profitable to the likes of "wildlife/wilderness" pimps, in some cases. Some are taken in the beginning with what seems like a cool cause but when tempted with marketing and money rewards lose all objectivity and sense of what's often a simple and monetarily unrewarding solution.

May 29th - 06:30am | Anonymous

We need to end the "best available science" BS as it clearly has been debunked several times and is simply an excuse for not doing your due diligence. Every time this phrase is used it is systematically proven wrong.

May 28th - 20:03pm | Anonymous

Anonymous: I applaud that this did show up. Integrity is a surprise. A welcome surprise!

May 28th - 18:44pm | Anonymous

I am far more surprised that this showed up on NPT than I am that it happened.

May 28th - 16:55pm | Dottie

Was this a rerun of the scientific study for "global warming"?

May 28th - 16:00pm | Anonymous

Laborman: Funny you should mention ethics. Who was it that said recently to his pastor? That the pastor had to tell the truth but he was a politician and could lie. Sooner or later those lies surface and hopefully/usually, there's a correction (often to the other extreme) so leave these important decisions to those that live in realville, please.

May 28th - 14:56pm | imtnbke

Thanks, Kurt, for this informative, interesting, and well-researched article.

May 28th - 13:59pm | Laborman

Pretty unbelievable how willing right-wingers are to risk destroying our planet in the name of "freedom." Freedom to do what? Make a mistake and create an abomination against God, nature and our planet's future? It's not worth the risk. The tecnology and ethics of hard-rock mining are from another age.

May 28th - 12:18pm | Anonymous

Thank you National Parks Traveler for providing this information. I appreciate being informed. Kudos to all for a well presented article.

May 28th - 12:03pm | Gregory Yount

I am currently suing the Department of the Interior and the BLM regarding the Northern Arizona Withdrawal and the EIS that supported it. These emails are a God send. They clearly show that the DOI and the BLM had a "policy" to shape the information and science in the EIS to support a withdrawal decision. This "policy" is unlawful. An EIS, by regulation, is supposed to be a neutral document.

May 28th - 11:52am | Ozark Paddler

Yes, the mining industry has such a proud history of good land stewardship!

May 28th - 10:29am | Anonymous

Yes, get rid of the liars and deceivers whatever their political persuasion and get real about the challenges being faced. Would be very helpful to return and do over many of the wrongs that have been perpetuated by PC imagery and buerocratic activism that do not serve us or the wild places.

May 28th - 07:57am | Andrew McDonald

The National park service and the BLM, in collusion with the Obama administration are systematically trying and so far succeeding in bypassing the Mining Law established in 1872. This is a good law and that is why it has lasted so long. It's similiar to ignoring the freedoms outlined in our constitution.

Traveler's Gear Box: What Protects Your Foot From Your Boot?

May 29th - 09:29am | Kurt Repanshek

Ok, Anonymous, contact me at [email protected] and we'll get some socks to your kids!

Olympic National Park's Kalaloch Lodge Gets New Concessionaire

May 29th - 08:42am | YnpGal

Thanks for keeping us informed about park doings! Your recent article about the prospectus for the new Yellowstone contract was so great I shared it with a bunch of other Yellowstone employees so everyone could understand what all of it means. Please keep up the great writing! We appreciate it.

Showdown at the Chesapeake and Ohio Canal National Historical Park

May 29th - 07:40am | Anonymous

all was performed under the "best available science"...

May 29th - 06:29am | Jim Burnett

Reed - Sounds like a problem that needs to be addressed. You'll find phone, mail and e-mail contact information for the park headquarters at the following link. I'd suggest you send this information right to the park:

May 29th - 00:25am | REED MARTIN

Two of us just bicycled Cumberland to Washington, D.C. 184.5 miles. Tenth trip down the canal towpath. Left Cumberland May 20th. (2012) ************* Never had so much as a flat tire before. *************

Parks Beyond Borders: Canada Funds New Urban National Park While Cutting Budgets And Dropping Employees; And A Dark Sky Park For England?

May 28th - 22:49pm | imtnbke

This is unfortunate: “But Parks Canada is facing another challenge: Attendance is declining, which may have long-term implications for public support. In 1995, 15.3 million Canadians visited a national park, compared to only 12.5 million last year.”

Major Lodging Changes Coming To Yellowstone National Park

May 28th - 16:03pm | Mike Koshmrl

Hi YPW, I'm a reporter for the Jackson Hole News & Guide, and am working on a story about the redevelopment plans. Care to voice your opinion in a phone conversation? You'd be quoted in this Wednesday's weekly paper. Please give me a call at 9524127344 if you're interested. Thanks, Mike

Arizona Memorial Turns 50: Effort Underway To Preserve A Not-to-be-Missed National Monument

May 28th - 12:55pm | Randy Johnson-T...

[color=black]Yes Lee, the park's have places where the senselessness of war stands out. This is Memorial Day, and we have a few stories up about places in the parks where you can go and appreciate the sacrifices made by those who fought to create or defend this country.

President Sent Legislation To Allow Commercial Horse Packing In Sequoia, Kings Canyon National Park

May 28th - 12:27pm | gdurkee

I do believe that there is "middle ground" here so that this can be avoided. In order to achieve this however, all groups involved should and must be willing to sit down and work together,

May 28th - 11:43am | imtnbke

Excellent May 26 comment, Tammy. In particular, we mountain bikers suspect you're right about how our second-class status was conferred in the early 1980s, though no one's been able to prove it.

May 28th - 09:08am | Tammy

@ Wilderbeast....I was not aware of this...ugh I will say I have read some on the "hikers" websites, and it doesn't take more than a few paragraphs to understand what they hoped to accomplish in this lawsuit and the future ones that were clearly in the works.

B-29 Superfortress That Lies at the Bottom of Lake Mead Continues to Draw Attention

May 28th - 09:34am | Paul64

History never ceases to entertain and create thought!!!

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