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Needles Campground, Canyonlands National Park/Kurt Repanshek

A repeat of my 2018 stay at the Needles Campground in Canyonlands National Park likely will have to wait until 2020/Kurt Repanshek

Editor's note: This updates with response from recreation.gov's "escalation" desk, and includes terms of contract Booz Allen Hamilton negotiated.

Securing a campsite in a national park is not always an easy endeavor, and, unfortunately, recreation.gov does not always help.

The other day I searched for an available site at the Needles Campground (aka Squaw Flat Campground) in Canyonlands National Park in southeastern Utah. This is one of the best campgrounds in the Southwest. There are just 26 individual sites set amid the glorious redrock splendor of Canyonlands' Needles District. The sites are well spaced and offer a measure of solitude you don't always find in national park campgrounds, the restrooms are well kept up and even offer wash basins to do your dishes, and the night skies are wonderfully dark for star gazing.

The trick to landing a site, of course, is to start six months before you want to visit. My bad. I waited until six weeks out. Still, using recreation.gov to get a site was akin to hitting a moving target. First there were available sites, then there weren't. When I saw three consecutive dates in early April I wanted to go after, I tried to log into the site to snag them. It didn't like my email or password, so I created a new account. Sadly, it didn't like that new account it even after it verified it:

Are you sure you have the right email and password? Please double check your email and password, and try again. You can also click the links below to sign up for an account or reset your password. -- recreation.gov

I tried calling the folks at recreation.gov...and the recorded voice told there as a 43-minute wait time. So I tried the "chat" option. After a short wait, an agent chimed in to inquire what I needed. After I explained my dilemma, I was told my log-in issues could be solved by one of their agents ... if I called the reservations number.

See where this is going?

Is this the best way to run a reservation system for a sprawling system of some 100,000 campsites spread across the National Park System, U.S. Forest Service, and U.S. Bureau of Land Management. It's a timely question to ask, as last fall the reservation system was taken over by Booz Allen Hamilton, which Outside Magazine described as a "management consultant giant..." and which no doubt demonstrated its ability to handle the job when the contract came up. Under the terms of that ten-year contract, which kicked in October 1, Booz Allen Hamilton is being paid $182 million.

Giant they might be, but are they big enough or keen enough to manage this far-flung system? Supposedly one of the requirements for landing the contract was that Booz Allen Hamilton had to offer real-time reservation status. That might explain my experience with the "now you see them, now you don't" available campsites. They come and go as folks reserve a site, and then cancel their reservation. Ok, I get it. But there's more to running a reservation system than offering a tracking system that many others in the travel and dining industries long ago mastered. Operating a system that works, for instance.

Those behind the recreation.gov's call-in reservation system realized they wouldn't always have enough agents to handle call loads, and so designed the system to allow you to leave your phone number and they'd call you back...without you losing your place in line. I took that option, and within about 10 minutes got a call ... from a recorded voice that told me an agent would be with me shortly.

While I waited, I took another spin around recreation.gov's page for Canyonlands. A huge problem is that they haven't yet loaded maps of campgrounds, at least not those at Canyonlands, and so you can't look at the site you're being offered. Is your chosen site next door to the restrooms, and so you might have more foot traffic than usual day and night? How close to trailheads is it? Is there shade? Where are the water spigots? (I would come to learn that when Booz Hamilton got the recreation.gov contract, they had to build the system from scratch. They couldn't take what the previous company was using. But still, there are scads of park maps out there, including maps of campgrounds. Shouldn't a "management consultant giant" be able to fine-tune those rather quickly? Or pay someone to?)

After sitting on hold for eight minutes, not a long time, an agent tried to help me sort out my log-in credentials. He couldn't, even after verifying my email was in their system and walking me through a password reset (not that it's complicated, but he was trying to be helpful). No luck. Instead, he said he woud have to "escalate" my issue to a higher power. But he didn't know when -- In an hour? Later today? Tomorrow? Next week? -- or how -- email? phone call? text? carrier pigeon? -- I would be contacted. He also didn't know if they worked weekends, and didn't have any contact phone numbers for me to resort to. And while he told me that, those three available nights I wanted vanished.

Not that it matters, since I can't log in to reserve them.

A tech from the escalation team called back Monday morning, roughly 24 hours after my unhappy experience. After 10-15 minutes on the phone with him, during which I shared my browser screen so he could try to diagnose the problem...he was at a loss. His suggestion, while he consulted with others, was that I create a new account once again, but with a different email address. Or I could call their reservations line and hope that I get connected with someone before the sites and dates I want vanish.

That's my recreation.gov story. What's yours?

Comments

We are hoping that the company gets replaced... There is no fixing it


I've tried for 8 years to book the Kelly Forks Cabin in Idaho.  It's a part of the 6 month in advance bookin g through Recreation.gov. It's a seasonal cabin from mid June through September or about 100 days.  You are limited to booking a max of 6 consecutive nights.  I've been unsuccessful even using up to 30 devices to book at exactly 10 am EST.  I've synched my time protocols, used multiple servers, all to no avail.  Unlucky is what I have been told and that there are 30+ people trying to rent for every available date.  So here's the real story:  The same people get reservations every year and some get multiple reservations.  One person actually reserved it 5 differerent times in 2019.  Statistically that is impossible.  How do I know?  I filed FOIA requests going back to 2009 and I have all the names and have sent the data to Recreation.gov, USFS, USDA etc.  I have spent 5 years complaining and trying to get answers....no one seems to want to admit the obvious. 

Rick


Twice in a row I'm getting screwed trying to book a site at Many Glacier Campground. I knew it would be competitive, I learned this while booking a site at Devil's garden campground in Arches. So I prepared myself to get on the site with 10 minutes to spare & waited for the clock to count down. I actually have a timer to count down the seconds so I can hit "book now" at the exact time the sites go live. Like I said, I learned my lesson from previous experiences (I thought!)

Both times I've tried so far with Glacier I've been unsuccessful. The first time it said that the site wasn't available yet, even though it was. The second time I got a message to login into my account before booking. I was logged in. Needless to say, even though only 7 seconds went by the site was already gone. "It's a popular site!" the message tells me. No kidding.

Guess I'll be back to it again tomorrow! So frustrating. I thought Arches was bad!


I have not had issues reserving at low demand parks, but recently I tried to book a site at Many Glacier (5+ times in a row), sometimes using multiple computers and multiple devices to secure different sites to no avail.  Each time I am waiting on my computer at 945 preparing to book at exactly 1000 and I have not been able to get a site.  I've spoken to multiple representatives who have explained that it's 'busy' and you've been unlucky, but it is not reasonable that every day all of the sites are reserved at exatly 1000.  One representative actually encouraged refreshing at 10AM which only delays your start and shows you that sites are infact reserved at 10 (which is impossible).  I've also been told by reservation.gov staff that I have to use google chrome, not the app, not safari, not internet explorer, not firefox, etc.  This is inappropriate for a government site.  3 times I've hit book now at 10 and my browser and app said 'booking' and 'order details' respectively but then kicked me off with no reservations.  While I have not made FOIA requests like the earlier writer who indicated that the same people get multiple reservations at competitive sites every year for the past 5 years, it certainly seems that some unfair practice is in place for high demand National Park facilities.  I recommend moving to a lottery system with published listing of names for site reservations each year so that there is some transparency, and campers don't have to reserve more days than necessary in order to get sites in their National Parks.  I've also learned of a pay website 'reserve.wanderinglabs.com', 'campnab.com' and Robert Hansen's free BOT software for finding campsites.  While they claim not to reserve the site for you, its only a short put from there to assume they are also using them to reserve campsites.  Perhaps we need to drive the site to include use of CAPTA image recognition or some other bot proofing technology so as not to cheat others out of visits to our national parks.


I have my finger on "click" right at 8 am when the site I want opens. Click. Too late. Every time. Every morning. Who is clicking faster than I am? How is it possible? I have this suspicion that there is a backdoor to some of these sites which a computerized clicker is grabbing, kind of like those bid snatching services you can employ for ebay.


I urge you to file a FOIA request for the information (names) of past bookings.  You will be surprised, I was.  The system is rigged..... The NPS knows it, the USFS knows it, and Recreation.gov knows it.  And just keep in mind that these are public lands that are intended to have access that is fair for all, not just those that know how to scam the system.  Stay on it, contact the NPS, USFS and your congressional delegation.  The system has to be changed.

 


Rick, can you explain a little more?  Rigged how?  

Not disagreeing, just don't understand what you are saying. 


Most bookings on the day sales open are by resellers who are using bots.


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