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National Park Geologic Sites Draw Raves and Rants

Aug 18th - 06:28am | MRC

Why Niagara? To have at least one out of ten locations in the northeast? Erosion is covered by Grand Canyon. And what else can you see (regarding geology) at Niagara? And I'm not sure if the La Brea Tar Pits should be "the" fossil site of the list. Dinosaur National Monument or John Day Fossil Beds National Monument might be better choices, even they are much more out of the way.

Did You Hear the One About President Obama's Trip To Yellowstone National Park?

Aug 18th - 00:58am | y_p_w

I just wanted to clarify that I didn't notice my username after I tried posting (it was the anonymous post earlier) and I posted again after I was logged in. There was a certain similarity since I was trying to recreate the same line of thinking. I don't want to give anyone the impression that I'm using sock puppets to bolster my own posts.

Aug 18th - 00:54am | Kathy

He said he hadn't been to the Grand Canyon since he was 11. I am his age and I've been there something like 6 or 7 times and I've never lived close by. He's into basketball as his sport, rather than hiking. It's not a bad thing. But national parks are not his thing.

Aug 17th - 23:03pm | The Observer

Why in the world does the right-wing continue to realize that you lost. We won. And to whine about Obama visiting our national parks and other treasures of the west tells thinking Americans that you were sound asleep during the eight years of the worst presidency in the history of this country. The bumbling failures are so obvious I don't need to list them.

Aug 17th - 22:43pm | Rick B.

That dog and pony show goes with him no matter where he goes, from Broadway to Sunset Blvd, from Glacier to Okeefenokee. Once you're in the office you can't get away. You either stay in the White House and isolate or you go out, impose on the people around you, and chose those things you highlight.

Aug 17th - 22:03pm | y_p_w

Obama visited the USS Arizona Memorial last Dec. Being from Hawaii I'd think he's probably been to Hawai'i Volcanoes NP and perhaps Haleakala. He said that he'd been to the Grand Canyon in his younger years.

Aug 17th - 21:57pm | Anonymous

Obama claimed that he had visited the Grand Canyon as a youth with his family. Last year before he entered the office he visited the USS Arizona Memorial and visited Hanauma Bay (not a national park but could have easily been an NPS unit).

Aug 17th - 21:31pm | Anonymous

Kathy, I truly hope we can inspire more black families to visit the national parks instead of it being a white dominated phenomenon. Perhaps we can also recruit more black rangers into the national parks as well. With President Obama visiting the national parks this past weekend is a very good start.

Aug 17th - 20:51pm | Kurt Repanshek

I think you're crawling out on a limb, Kathy. Do you know what the Obamas did for vacations before he became president? Before he became U.S. senator? I'm not saying he is a strong parks advocate or not (although he picked a pretty good candidate for NPS director, and that says something), but I think it's a stretch to say "they just don't like the outdoors or the national parks...."

Aug 17th - 20:43pm | Kathy

I don't think Obama was much of a national parks visitor BEFORE he became president either. Michelle takes the kids to Paris and London and Rome but not to any of the national parks. They just don't like the outdoors or the national parks and this trip was purely a photo op.

Aug 17th - 11:11am | jsmacdonald

Even more angry posts from people blogging posted today ... apparently, the entire trip cost over $400,000 ... which ticked off one blogger. I wonder how far Obama could have gone to appease it by at leastt acknowledging the problems he caused and perhaps thinking of ways in the future to deal with it ...

Aug 17th - 10:54am | Anonymous

Kathy, I'm sure President Obama would love to do it alone with his family and visit ALL the national parks. But, with all the hate climate in this country...I dare not!

Fatal Fall from Angels Landing in Zion National Park

Aug 17th - 20:27pm | Chris & Lisa Connors

We are so sorry to hear about this tragic accident, and send our condolences to this family. As avid hikers who value the unparalled access to nature that National Parks afford, we have a deep respect for Zion and other parks like it.......most of which harbor some intrinsic danger. Being "on the edge" of Nature has that inherent risk.

Traveler's Checklist: Fredericksburg & Spotsylvania National Military Park

Aug 17th - 20:20pm | Bruce

Many a time I have stood on a battlefield, now just a plain old field of course, looking out and imagining what took place there. My wife thinks I am day-dreaming, and she is right. I do not celebrate the events that took place at sites like these. That men (and women) still suffer and die in warfare to this day is a great human tragedy.

Aug 17th - 14:29pm | CivilWarBuff

Great recommendations, Kurt! This park definitely takes two or more days to cover everything. I would recommend visiting each section in chronological order: Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville, Wilderness, and Spotsylvania.

A Silly Way to Die - Friends Don't Let Friends Teak Surf

Aug 17th - 20:10pm | Bruce

His father said after the tragedy, "Had I known this was dangerous, had I heard of the dangers of doing this, I would never have put my son or myself at risk." *sigh*

Our National Parks: "For the Benefit And Enjoyment Of The People" (If You Don't Mind the Entrance Fee)

Aug 17th - 19:47pm | GRSMemp

The reason that Great Smokies does not charge an entrance fee is due to a clause in the TN donation of the land encompassing Newfound Gap Road (the main road between Cherokee and Gatlinburg) and Little River Road (the road between Sugarlands and Cades Cove) that prohibits charging a toll on those roads.

Aug 17th - 19:15pm | y_p_w

Asleep after 6 AM? Well if you're doing that late night stargazing until midnight, you might want to sleep until 8-9 AM. Plus the sound of bear harassment techniques may wake one up in the middle of the night. It's still pretty difficult since much of the campground is already awake and making plenty of noise since it's no longer "quiet hours".

Aug 17th - 18:55pm | Bat

If you can stand one more comment from me, I'd like to say how mystifying it is to me to see the huge RV's complete with TV, internet, all the comforts of home at the campground. It's like bringing your house with you! IMO that's not camping. And when I go camping I don't care to hear their generators or their loud music, thanks very much.

Aug 17th - 18:28pm | Bat

I think the nighttime is best - so much is happening! So many animals come out at night to feed and hunt. And high-elevation stargazing has got to be the greatest show on Earth.

Aug 17th - 18:16pm | Ray Bane

Why would anyone be asleep after 6 a.m.? Early morning is the best part of the day, especially in most national parks.

Aug 17th - 17:19pm | y_p_w

Listening to nature? Got plenty of that at Upper Pines in Yosemite. The birds at 6 in the morning make it next to impossible to sleep unless heavily sedated. That and the harassment techniques (paintball guns, rubber bullets from shotguns, and pyrotechnics) employed by the bear management teams.

Aug 17th - 17:14pm | y_p_w

There are a lot of "camping lite" experiences out there. There are the so-called "tent cabins" where most of the stuff is provided and semi-permanent. A lot of concession or NPS employee lodging is of the same type.

Aug 17th - 17:05pm | RangerLady

Kurt, when I worked education in Death Valley we purchased several large coleman tents for the visiting school groups. The first time I was putting up the tent I noticed this extra little flap that I had never seen in any tent I used growing up.

Aug 17th - 16:40pm | MikeD

It's a hard question. I'm not opposed to an air mattress instead of sleeping on rocks, or a DVD player to get you through that drive through Illinois. Nor do I have a problem with sending a quick email home to say I'm doing OK. But some of this goes over the line - when you pay someone to set up a tent and grill for you, it just seems like a manufactured experience.

Aug 17th - 16:07pm | y_p_w

MM> I wonder how many of the "visits" to Great Smoky Mountains NP consist solely of driving US 441 from Gatlinburg to the casino in Cherokee - and back? http://www.nature.nps.gov/stats/park.cfm?parkid=316 The casino opened in 1997. I don't see any huge trends.

Aug 17th - 16:04pm | y_p_w

My approach to camping includes a variety of battery powered devices. Vinyl air mattresses have been around since forever, but I found the inflation was aided with a battery powered inflator from Coleman. It's essentially just a blower which reached a maximum inflation point that wasn't quite enough - but that's 80-90% of what I needed.

Aug 17th - 15:27pm | MM

I wonder how many of the "visits" to Great Smoky Mountains NP consist solely of driving US 441 from Gatlinburg to the casino in Cherokee - and back?

Aug 17th - 14:59pm | Kurt Repanshek

For those who haven't clicked the link, it's to a story that tells about the arrival of most creature comforts for family campers:

Aug 17th - 14:50pm | MikeD

Speaking of drawing people to the parks, this is a great piece for a story here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/17/AR200908...

Aug 17th - 13:59pm | Kurt Repanshek

Tomp, I do believe you're right. I was just cutting to the chase;-)

Aug 17th - 13:54pm | tomp

I believe that free entrance to GRSM is more than an act of congress. Wasn't free entrance part of the deed when North Carolina & Tennessee transferred state land for the park?

Aug 17th - 13:53pm | Bat

Thousands of people go jogging/biking/hiking in Rock Creek NP every week. No entrance fees are charged; collecting them would be difficult considering how many access points there are to the paths (it's smack dab in the middle of D.C.). So how would you gauge higher visitation in an urban park like this? It seems this park has to rely on whatever monies Congress sees fit to allocate.

Aug 17th - 12:23pm | y_p_w

Regular motorcycles don't particularly bother me. A Gold Wing, BMW touring bike, or even your typical "crotch rocket" has a fairly innocuous sound that doesn't bother me any more than the average car. Now Harleys and bikes set up for a similar rumble just ruin any outdoor experience for me.

Aug 17th - 11:15am | MikeD

Again, how much the fees have an impact probably has a lot to do with how many people live around a park. I'd love to know how many people who visited fee-free to RMNP live within 100 miles of the park. I bet it's a lot. As for Mammoth Cave, nothing like Denver that close by, but Bowling Green and Nashville are both not too far.

The New National Parks Index: 2009-2011 is Now Available Online

Aug 17th - 19:40pm | Bob Janiskee

We live to serve. :o)

Aug 17th - 19:23pm | Bat

Bob, my thanks for the info, and for the links.

Aug 17th - 18:37pm | Bob Janiskee

The index is revised every two years to reflect congressional actions.

Aug 17th - 18:19pm | Bat

Question: How often is the Index published? Every three years? Every five? Just curious...

Aug 17th - 17:35pm | y_p_w

I remember what's now Giant Sequoia National Monument probably used up most of Sequoia NF's human resources. There are several campgrounds, Hume Lake, Boyden Cavern, and a few lodges. It would have been a pretty huge blow to the FS if they took that out of their jurisdiction and handed it over to the NPS.

Aug 17th - 17:09pm | RangerLady

tomp, I'm trying to remember all the way back to when I took a resource law course and if my memory is correct, Clinton decided those monuments to be administered by other agencies because he wanted them to get a better reputation for conservation attempts. I could be wrong though...

Aug 17th - 11:01am | tomp

Michael-- All or nearly all of the National Monuments proclaimed by Clinton are administered by BLM, and 1 is administered by Forest Service.

Climate Change and National Parks: A Survival Guide for a Warming World -- Northern Flying Squirrel and other Threatened Mammals

Aug 17th - 18:52pm | Ray Bane

Global warming is real. Human culpability is undeniable. The rate of change is increasing and may be on the verge of a tipping point that will send it beyond any hope of mitigation. Denial seems to be a common human response to an unpleasant reality. Many European Jews in the late 1930s could not believe that the German Nazis could be capable of the Holocaust.

Aug 17th - 17:59pm | Kurt Repanshek

The science exists to inform us that the warming is accelerated. And the scientists with the International Panel on Climate Change say it's "very likely" (in their definition, greater than 90% chance the result is true) that humans are behind the current global warming. That has been debated, and will continue to be debated.

Aug 17th - 17:45pm | MRL

Another statement listed as a fact that has not been proven in this excerpt. "But what will these species do in response to the prospect of higher temperatures resulting from accelerated unnatural climate change?" How do we know accelerated? How do we know unnatural? For every scientist that says this is so, there is another that says it is not so.

National Park Mystery Photo 12 Revealed: It's Voyageurs National Park

Aug 17th - 17:19pm | RangerLady

After seeing this picture I'm almost sorry that I turned down a winter seasonal job there. At least until I remember that it gets down to -40!! I would love to visit that park when it's nice and warm though! I don't think it's mentioned often enough Ranger Holly http://web.me.com/hollyberry

Nature Can At Times Be An Equalizer For Predator and Prey, As Evidenced By An Incident in Glacier National Park

Aug 17th - 16:58pm | Aaron Deschane

Amazing event!

Picking a Lot of Apples This Day Helps Keep the Bears Away in Yosemite National Park

Aug 17th - 14:14pm | y_p_w

I guess "historic" is a matter of interpretation. I consider the Ahwahnee Hotel, or the LeConte Memorial Building to be historic. They may pale in an age comparison to a giant sequoia or granite monoliths, but that doesn't mean that they're still not historic.

Aug 17th - 14:01pm | Random Walker

Returning to my car in the orchard parking lot on the edge of Curry Village, after wandering in wonderment lost among the tall sequoias, ancient stone walls and waterfalls of Yosemite valley, to call these apple trees historic is meaningless to me. Anyway...

Aug 17th - 12:31pm | y_p_w

The orchard is definitely historic. I don't think they'd be 150 years old. Trees might have been replanted as the older ones died out. Remember there used to be a lot of stuff that doesn't sit well with ideas of what a national park should be. The Ahwahnee Hotel used to have a 9 hole par 3 golf course. It used to be legal to feed the bears.

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