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What's your strategy for landing a campsite in the Needles Campground at Canyonlands National Park?/Kurt Repanshek file

Being able to visit a website and reserve a campsite in the National Park System six months before your visit helps take the anxiety away of wondering where you'll stay. Unless you're thinking of camping in Canyonlands and Arches national parks in Utah, and no doubt some other units of the system.

The problem arises in campgrounds with a relatively small number of campsites. While the Watchman Campground at Zion National Park boasts 176 campsites, the Bridge Bay Campground in Yellowstone National Park lists 432 sites, and Tuolumne Meadows Campground in Yosemite National Park shows 304 sites, at Devils Garden Campground in Arches there are just 51, and at Needles Campground in Canyonlands there are just 26, of which only a dozen can be reserved, with the remainder first-come, first-served.

On recreation.gov you can reserve a campsite six months out from your travel...unless, of course, you plan to spend more than one night in that site. While individual campsites don't technically open for reservations until six months ahead of your desired date, if you claim a site six months out, you can extend your stay for a number of days. In the case of Needles Campground, you can book a seven-night stay, and that's where problems of securing a campsite intensify.

Recreation.gov releases sites for reservations at 10 a.m. Eastern, six months out. So if you live in the Pacific Time Zone and wanted to stay in Needles Campground on March 23, 2020, you needed to be ready to reserve your site at 7 a.m. on September 23, 2019. But your initiative wouldn't have been rewarded, unfortunately.

That's because at Needles you can relax in a campsite for seven consecutive days. And so folks who were able to latch onto a site on September 22, 2019, for March 22, 2020, arrival, could, in theory, reserve it through March 29, 2020. And so if you logged onto recreation.gov on September 23, as I did, you would have found each of the 12 sites booked through March 23, 2020, and some beyond that date. While there was one site available for March 24, you'd have to wait until September 24 to reserve that...if it was still available.

"If someone reserved for 3/22, they are allowed to book several days out," the chat room folks at recreation.gov told me when I mentioned all the sites had been reserved for March 23, 2020, before September 23, 2019. "The next available date is for site 27 and only for 03/24/2020. For 03/25/20, sites 18, 24, 25, 26, 27. I do apologize the sites were taken for today."

"But if you can't make a reservation until six months out," I replied, and someone reserves for a block of dates, how does one lock down a reservation?

"It is a relatively small camping area," came the reply. "I can only advice to check on the recreation.gov website to see which dates may come available 6 months out." 

Now, there are those 14 first-come, first-served sites at Needles Campground, but the campground is a far drive for most folks, lying about 75 miles from Moab, Utah. From Salt Lake City, it's about a 5-6 hour drive.

Would you gamble on finding one of those 14 sites vacant after a long drive, knowing that if they were all filled you would 1) have to see if the private campground just outside the Needles District had space, 2) you had to drive 49 miles to Monticello, Utah, and hope there was a motel room available, or 3) drive all the way back to Moab with hopes of finding a vacancy?

What's the solution? Is there a solution? Do small national park campgrounds need to move to a lottery system? Do parks with just one small campground need to build more? 

The answer, for now at least, concerning Needles Campground is to be flexible and broaden your search, Karen Garthwait at Canyonlands National Park told me. There currently are no discussions to enlarge the campground, she said.

"What I typically encourage people to do is plan ahead for something for their first night when in the area," she said. "Whether a private campground that you can book in advance, or a hotel room, or whatever people feel comfortable with as their lodging option. But having a reservation for that first night then lets you travel here with the security that you have a place to land, you can pop into whichever visitor center of whichever unit who are wanting to go to, find out the lay of the land, and then find out how early you need to be there the next day in order to get one of those first-come, first-served available sites."

Garthwait also noted that, in terms of Needles Campground, there are a number of campgrounds along Utah 211 just outside the Needles District that are managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management, "(A)ll of which are first-come, first served, and they have been adding to them practically every other year the last couple of years."

Those BLM campgrounds are the Hamburger Rock Campground (10 sites), Creek Pasture Campground (32 sites), and Super Bowl Campground (37 sites). Those campgrounds are more rustic than the Needles Campground, with no running water and offering vault, not flush, toilets.

If your heart is set on Needles Campground and you are blocked from landing a site during the popular spring and fall seasons, there's always the brutally hot (100°+) days in the heart of summer or the cold (lows of 0°-20° Fahrenheit possible), short days of winter when all sites are first-come, first-served.

Comments

Would adding one more level of action that requires one to click "I am not a robot," remedy this?  We've been trying to get reservations for Redfish Lake ID for the past week. I'm convinced that scalpers or others are securing these. 


Well now I'm curious.  Did you find any answers how that could happen when/if you called?  That was a year ago, but enquiring minds want to know.  Thanks!


I find that to be a true statement.... how does that happen ? the rules dont work n all the tips ns tricks I got from reserve.gov dont work either !  So whats a person to do ? I'm in Oregon also n am referring to same camping area at Timothy Lake.

 


Were you using Safari?  I was told you have to use Google Chrome.  However, the website is extremely difficult to figure out.  Good luck.


Hoorah for the Parks and change out recreation.gov!!

 


Trying to reserve a spot at Garnd Canyon North Rim. Punched the RESERVE button as fast as my finger could move at the stroke of 10. Sorry, that campsite is already reserved. As was, of course, every other site in the campground. GRRRR, so frustrating!


This is a totally frustrating sitjuation.  I have tried for weeks to reserve at spot at Many Glacier in Glacier.  I've hit"Book" a second before the time 2 seconds before, right at that the time, and all the available campsites are reserved with 5 seconds, and there could be up to 20 available.  The only fair way to solve this is to have a lottery for all these campsites that are so desireable.  Right now, there is something happening that doesn't create a level playing field.  And many of the National Forest campgrounds could be expanded and new ones created in the areas that have pressure from campers.  Does it make sense that a business has people trying to book 6 months out, and not getting a site, and the business doesn't expand to meet the demand?  I'd love to hear from a technical person that could explain what computer gets picked up first by the Reservation.gov site.  That would be insightful.  


Bottom line up front:  The system is broke.  I spent days last year (pre-COVID, Feb2020) trying to master Recreation.gov in order to  reserve a water front sight at Raystown Lake, PA.  I did manage after many days and hours to get a site reserved by installing Google Chrome, ensured Chrome was updated, syncronized my pc clock, made graph paper charts of available sites for 3 months, logged in at all hours of the day and night and checked for availability, spent hours on the phone with Customer Support...chatted with Customer Support.  Summary of last year:  I had more days/hours invested in getting a reservation than the 10 day reservation itself; but, me, the misses and our friends truly enjoyed our water front camping site, jetski's, and fishing boat on the lake.   This year, they changed various rules.  Today is 21Feb2021....I have tried every day since 12Feb to no avail.  I have tried everything I could think of to get a reservation: late at night, early in the morning, scour for cancellations, 1 minute before 10am EST, 10sec, 5 sec, 2 sec, 1 sec, crack of 10am, 1-5sec after 10am, update my window right at 10am and try again...one window open, two windows with two sites open, close all other software on my pc, tried using MS Edge instead of Chrome, I kept one window open with one site's dates and kept clicking book it now hoping someone didn't book in 15-20minutes.  I'm done with this reservation system and national parks......only the Federal Gov could screw this up so bad with a multi-million dollar contract.  I do not make the foregoing statement without cause.....you see, I'm a federal employee.  I'm rather convinced that savy pc hackers have a back door into the system?  I generally do not complain without offering a plausible solution(s).  Here's my only solution:  everyone needs to write thier Congressmen and we need an unhackable reservation system that is fair to all the honest people playing by the rules?


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