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Juniper Campground, Theodore Roosevelt National Park/Kurt Repanshek

An overwhelming majority of National Parks Traveler readers don't want more amenities in national park campgrounds/Juniper Campground, Theodore Roosevelt National Park, Kurt Repanshek file

There is little support among National Parks Traveler readers for commercializing more national park campgrounds and adding WiFi, food trucks, and other amenities.

While an advisory committee to Interior Secretary David Bernhardt is calling for such upgrades on a trial basis, strong opposition was voiced both on Traveler's flagship website as well as its social media channels.

"The National Park System is America's Best Idea. Upgrading the campgrounds to the point of destroying their natural wonder is the worst idea," Jesse Joksch wrote on Traveler's Facebook page. "For me, I go to the parks to enjoy nature, incredible scenery, and the food I cook while I am there. Only thing I would add is more tent sites. Can be very difflicult to find camping inside the parks these days."

Jo Fulk added that, "The reason why we stay in state and national parks is to get away from phones, technology, the rat race! What happened to leave no trace? What's the point of going if you're staring at a machine instead of potential endangered wildlife and the wild expanse? How about updating what's already there- trails, staffing, the basics?"

More than 450 comments have been made on Traveler's story on a draft proposal to bring more amenities to national park campgrounds and to let for-profit companies try to show how park campgrounds could be better managed. The proposal also calls for blocking Senior Pass holders, those 62 an older who hold a lifetime pass that entitles them to 50 percent savings on campsite fees, during peak seasons.

"I do know absolutely that today's campers are more urban in background than they were 20 or 30 years ago, and in many cases are looking for greater support," said Derrick Crandall, who worked with Interior's Subcommittee on Recreation Enhancement Through Reorganization in drafting the proposal. "They do want WiFi. They do want some food options. What we're saying is we think there is a strategy to deal with providing food in a campground as opposed to telling people that they basically have to go out of a park to a gateway community to find dinner and come back."

Not all comments opposed such upgrades.

"Food trucks? That's a great idea especially for tent campers. Don't have to worry about keeping perishables cold day after day," wrote Kevin Kaitis. "Put in a food truck at campsites, even if it's just once a day, and they will have happy customers. Would not use it for every meal."

Linda Tyler was in favor of upgrades.

"Many parks were built before the days of class A's or any camper with slide outs especially in the Northeast," she wrote. "Plus the turns are not wide enough for the larger campers be they towable or Class A or C's. WiFi never works beans at any campground so that is not a big deal. If going to have it a solid signal you can use at one larger room in office would be a big help. Would rather have a great signal there than a weak one all over the park.

"Also some parks were made with no sense of people need to be able to get whatever they are coming with other than a small pop up level!!!" she added. "Even people in tents would like a level place to put them. Scary when you see some with wheels totally off the ground. More people are hurt climbing in and out of their campers than any other way and the inability to get level can cause a big problem getting in and out of your camper."

In a comment on the Traveler website, Bill from Montana expressed an opinion that surfaced quite a bit on Traveler's Facebook page.

"WiFi in national park campgrounds? No way! Keep national park campgrounds primitive, and focus on the natural beauty," he wrote. "Already, most national park campgrounds cater too much to RVs, to the detriment of us tent campers. They allow generators, etc.  If people want WiFi, food trucks and such, they should stay at a KOA, not in a national park.  And I fully agree with commenters above who say that RV folks should pay more in national parks than tent campers. I have long suspected that we tent campers were subsidizing RV folks."  

There are campgrounds across the National Park System that already are operated by private companies, as opposed to Park Service staff. But turning more over to for-profit companies is not as easy as proposing it, said Phil Francis, who spent more than four decades with the National Park Service, with stints as superintendent of both the Blue Ridge Parkway and Great Smoky Mountains National Park.

Francis, who now heads the Coalition to Protect America's National Parks, said that as superintendent of those two park properties he did consider turning campgrounds over to the private sector, but came away convinced that that wasn't the best move.

During his time at the Blue Ridge Parkway, he said, the neighboring national forest had a campground that was managed by a nonprofit friends group. 

"When I went down to take a look at it, 'Let’s take a fair review of this to see if it’s something that we want to do,' I found out pretty quickly when talking to the management of the national forest that the concessionare was unwilling to make the kind of capital investments that needed to be made, and so the burden remained with the national forest," he said.

The proposal heading to Secretary Bernhardt suggests that concessionaires be encouraged to tackle some of the deferred maintenance needs that exist in campgrounds by ensuring they would be repaid by subsequent concessionaires if they ever lost, or surrendered, the campground management contract. But this sort of "leaseholder surrender interest" could turn problematic.

Back in 2015 Traveler reported that the National Park Service was sitting on an estimated half-a-billion-dollars of obligations owed concessionaires who run lodges, restaurants, and even some activities for the investments made into their operations. At the time, Park Service officials said that dollar figure was manageable, though it had seemingly stifled concessions competition in some parks and led the agency to divert tens of millions of dollars from some parks to others to reduce the debts.

The ramifications of carrying such large sums on the books has been most evident at Grand Canyon National Park, where the Park Service had failed to see robust competition for its South Rim concessions. The agency in 2014 had to scrape up nearly $50 million from dozens of parks, along with $25 million from the Washington headquarters and $25 million from Grand Canyon National Park, in a $100 million attempt to make a long-term concessions contract for the South Rim more palatable to bidders.

Certainly, costs with running a campground don't equate to those of operating lodges that are decades old. But with deferred maintenance costs in the campgrounds estimated at nearly $332 million, and some of that tied to expensive water treatment systems, needed investments are substantial.

Francis said that during his stint at Great Smoky Mountains they looked into adding showers to some campgrounds, but soon discovered they couldn't discharge the added grey water into the park's rivers.

The Park Service veteran also pointed out that there are several laws on the books that would have to be negotiated before campgrounds could be turned over to businesses. Those laws, said Francis, require competitive bidding if the Park Service decided to turn campgrounds over to private businesses.

“You really need to have in place a contract. And in order to have a contract, you have to go through competition," he said. "And one of the challenges has been since the 1998 Concessions law was passed, when you require or allow a concessionaire to make an investment, then that becomes part of (leaseholder surrender interest). That money, at the end of the term, either goes forward, if it’s the same concessionaire, or you have to buy them out before awarding it to a new concessionaire. That has been a challenge throughout the whole park system.”

A challenge going forward will be whether the National Park Service seeks public comment if a move is made towards commercializing more campgrounds with an eye towards more amenities that businesses can charge for.

Comments

While I am more of the primitive camper type, I recognize that others may want more amenities.  Who am I to tell them how they should camp?  We had a saying on the AT - "Hike your own hike", don't tell others what is the right or wrong way.  Hey, that is why they don't make it all vanilla.  To the extent possible the parks should offer both, just not in the same spot.  Have campgrounds that are restricted to tents and have limited services.   Have others that have more ammenities.  That way everyone can be happy, except for those that aren't happy if they can't tell others how to camp.  


As to the $332 mil maintainance deficit, do what municpalities do.  Have a special assessment.  For the next x years put a $10 per night/stay special assessment on the campsites.  This could have the multiple benefits of addressing overcrowding and the maintenance backlog. 


I spent 28 years with campground and fee management, and 25 years involvement with concessions. Concession campgounds ae a mixed bag and depend a great deal on the concession operator, the contract terms, and the experience and ability of the NPS concessions manager. One size does not fit all for every park, but it has been my experience, in many, but not all parks that there are private campgrounds neaby where those who want hookups and other extras can find them there.


I have an RV.  When I stay in the parks, I expect to live with the same amenities as the tent campers next door, and I am there BECAUSE it is close to the NP and its experience, not for any other entertainment (including cooking outdoors, but that's just me).  Seems to me that quiet sites with the basics-- water, fire ring/grill (where air pollution is not a problem) should be all that is needed, and those who want more should be "screened out" by that lack.  Now, you could put in a camp store, flush toilets, a food truck and maybe showers, and not affect the rustic camping experience. It might even improve it, as well as the local environment.  I am reminded of what I learned in Yosemite, that "anyplace else in the world, you put this many people together in close quarters, under primitive conditions, it would be called a slum.  Here people clamor to get in."  Let them have it. 


pselleck:

I spent 28 years with campground and fee management, and 25 years involvement with concessions. Concession campgounds ae a mixed bag and depend a great deal on the concession operator, the contract terms, and the experience and ability of the NPS concessions manager. One size does not fit all for every park, but it has been my experience, in many, but not all parks that there are private campgrounds neaby where those who want hookups and other extras can find them there.

Sure.  If one wants that kind of camping experience, it's not that hard to find.  When I was visiting Olympic NP, we stayed at both Kalaloch and at the KOA in Port Angeles.  At Kalaloch it was extremely basic and a very, very nice experience if one wanted to get away from it all.  At the KOA we actually stayed in one of their cabins, but there was a game room, go karts, a pool, and a hot tub.  Amenities have their place, but I rather like my NPS campgrounds to be basic.  There are exceptions, such as the campgroun at Pinnacles that was previously a private campground just outside of the park boundaries before NPS purchased and annexed it.

The only amenity I really want would be showers.  I still can't figure out why there can't be showers, although I know that would require hot water.  At Kalaoch I saw someone pouring cold water on his kid in lieu of a warm shower.  I've stayed in several low-amenity campgrounds where there were at least shower rooms - typically coin-operated.


I've been in several parks where cold water showers were the norm, and NO showers in the off season.  IMHO the NPS has made some pretty sensible decisions on campground amenities, such as Big Bend, where the nearest civilization is 90 miles away, the campground has electric hookups and a camp store (and showers; we didn't need them).  I don't know that tents are less of an environmental offense than a self-contained motorhome, but there should be some reward-- closer to nature-- for those willing to approach it in that way.  And RVs that fit AND willing to live with the lesser amenities should have equal access. 


I was in a National Forest Campground in Wyoming this summer. It was managed by a concessionaire. The conseesionaire did not have a Campground host at the campsite. The cost was $18/ night. Toilets and trash removal were provided. Signs were posted saying trash receptacles were for registered campers only. These campgrounds are owned by the taxpayers and any taxpayer should be allowed to use the trash recpticles. Prohibiting "We The People" that travel within the National Forest should not be prohibited to drive into a Campground and dispose of trash when just to create a greater profit to the concessionair. Is the perfect example of why our public lands and facilities should NOT be privatized. 

In Utah I camped at a Campground late in the season and two of the three restrooms were shut down for the season and the water had been turned off also. I had to pay the full price to camp there. Why do I have to pay full price when facilities have been reduced and the water shut off? Another perfect example of why privatization diminishes our public lands and facilities. 

Shame on Congress for allowing this and supporting the strategy off defunding, degrading and then privatizing. It's a disgusting way to justify profiting.


Dear editor; I am all for keeping wilderness camping with the Park Rangers (WILDERNESS = NO CARS, NO ROADS). That experience should be sacred and only accompanied by what you can carry on your back.

However, so many of our National Park campgrounds are busy, roadside attractions. Buzzing vehicles and whatever you can pack into one.  I say if cars can get there, you've paved the way (pun intended) to a rent-a-tent, picnic table that doesn't fall over, and yessssir a damn hot shower...

The Park Service gladly handed running lodging, food and transportation inside National Parks to private Concessioners decades ago. Let those private companies also run the road side campgrounds. They can follow NPS rules and will do an overall better job at hospitality. 


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